The 100 Best Places to Live in the US: 2017

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 02/07/2017 at 14:39 • Filed to: None

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US News and World Report crunched the numbers and came up with a list of the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . My home town, Austin, is No. 1, which is both a blessing and a curse. Here are the top 10. How did your town rank? Did it even make the list?

Austin, TX

Denver, CO

San Jose, CA

Washington, DC

Fayetteville, AR

Seattle, WA

Raleigh-Durham, NC

Boston, MA

Des Moines, IA

Salt Lake City, UT

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TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:43

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Austin is a surprisingly liberal city.

I don’t live in Seattle, but it’s close enough.

Jcarr > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:46

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Good to see IA represented in the top 10.

I’m surprised to see Oppo didn’t make the list. Mods, what do you have to say for yourselves?

Honeybunchesofgoats > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:47

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Best Metropolitan AreasBest places.

Also, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia ahead of New York? I’ve lived in Philadelphia. The one thing living in Philadelphia has going for it is that it isn’t Pittsburgh. New York also has that same advantage, but also has the added advantage of not being awful in every other conceivable way.

smobgirl > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:48

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I concur on the “curse” aspect. We’re number 2.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 02/07/2017 at 14:49

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Surprising? It’s an R&D university town, the so-called Live Music Capital of the World, and boasts a nude beach called Hippie Hollow. Travis County (home of Austin) has been an island of blue in a sea of red for many, many years.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:49

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My question: How is Miami on the list? I’ve been to Miami at least once a week since I moved to this country 16 years ago. I dont understand. HOW?!?!?!

(Maybe they’re referring to the suburbs, but they’re considered different cities.)

Jack Does Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:50

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Number 7! Right behind where my father lives, but yaknow. I’m surprised about Fayetteville, AR, but good on them.

MonkeePuzzle > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:50

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pfft. Denver is better than Austin.

#marginalylesshipsters

interstate366, now In The Industry > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:50

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24th.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:51

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Whenever I see lists like this, I imagine “...apart from New York” on the end.

Also, Des Moines? Seriously? Have they ever even been there?

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:52

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I only say surprising because Texas as a whole is sometimes considered the poster child for red states.

I was surprised to learn that Washington is very red east of the Cascades.

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:52

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As a happy resident of SF, I really wonder how it gets a 5.6 on the blue scale or San Jose gets a 6.1 if (say) Seattle gets a 6.3.

Source: I just bought a home in SF. Ouch! (Look for my upcoming post: I bought a home with a hilariously small garage, what small car should I get to replace the M6 which can only be parked in the garage with a spotter.)

ttyymmnn > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 02/07/2017 at 14:53

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No idea. I know they took traffic in the equation, and Austin has some of the worst in the country for its size.

ttyymmnn > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/07/2017 at 14:54

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My brother lives in Castro Valley. For what they paid for their modest house, I could have four bedrooms and a pool in Austin.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 14:54

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Always bunk, IMO. It favors college towns or big cities with few large suburbs, which allow the statistics to be skewed towards those places. However, more traditional and diverse cities tend to get bad rankings because they typically have “ blighted ” urban areas surrounded by pretty nice suburbs. That dilutes the rankings for those cities and MSAs substantially. But I can ’ t argue with Austin taking the top spot...but you always have to wonder what it would be like without UT and/or the state government there. It also never covers “ dealbreakers ” for people, such as singular issues or traits that a person might not like. Otherwise these places would already be overcrowded.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Honeybunchesofgoats 02/07/2017 at 14:55

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When did you live in Philly? I was there just this last fall and it’s amazing how much it’s improved in the last 10-15 years since I had previously visited.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 02/07/2017 at 14:56

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Outside of the metro centers, it is. Fort Worth turned red in 2016 for the first time in years. Houston is reliably blue. But when you get into the boonies, it’s Trump signs and Confederate flags (generally).

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 02/07/2017 at 14:56

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They also listed Fort Myers there, where I lived for a long time and can say with absolute certainty is the worst place I’ve ever been. If you just retired from GM or Ford and want to go someplace to pretend it’s still 1962 in the worst way, yeah, it’s great. Anything else? Lol, no.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 14:59

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The influence of UT and the seat of state government cannot be over emphasized. I would guess that a significant portion of our population is made up of UT grads who stayed, myself included.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:01

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You also have a lot of tech (also tied to academia), which is the same situation with Raleigh. There’s something to be said for college towns that actually have good jobs in town, though — that’s rare.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:03

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SLC > Denver. Nuts to Denver and its crap traffic.

Chariotoflove > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 15:03

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As always, take such rankings with a big helping of salt because “best” is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer rankings that use objective metrics like cost of living or cost of housing, etc. This list is just for entertainment.

Chariotoflove > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 02/07/2017 at 15:04

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If you have lots of money and live in the right area, Miami could be nice, I suppose.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:06

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Austin has SXSW while NYC has governor’s ball. Both are events for hipsters but have good music.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 15:06

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Austin has all that, plus reasonably affordable housing (outside of the city) and no state income tax. It’s one of the fastest growing cities in the US, which, as I said, is a blessing and a curse.

Scott > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:06

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Nope... I would be surprised if many people doing this have even heard of where I live. but I love it.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:07

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No offense to your fair city, but the times I drove through Austin, I was locked in miserable traffic, even in off hours. Didn’t understand it. We had no time to stop and check it out because we used up all our time just trying to get through.

ttyymmnn > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 02/07/2017 at 15:07

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SXSW has become significantly more than just music. It’s all kinds of media now, and attracts attendees from all over the world.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:09

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None taken. Traffic here is an abomination. It takes my wife 45-60 minutes to drive 17 miles to work (she’s at UT, and we live north). I normally allow 90 minutes to get to evening gigs downtown. And all their building are toll roads.

ttyymmnn > Scott 02/07/2017 at 15:10

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Where are you?

Alfalfa > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:10

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#10, bitches! We made the list!

RallyWrench > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:11

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I’m pretty sure they haven’t been to many of these places. Glad to see my totally shitty county is not on this list, so more people don’t move here from the cities and ruin it, then complain that it’s not what it used to be.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:11

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So WTF? I mean, why?

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:15

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My current city of residence is Dallas, at #15, and I can understand it. There is a lot to like about this place. It’s the right size for a city, you can afford to live here, good stuff to do.

The city of my youth, Indianapolis, only ranks #55, which I think is very underrated. It came back from the 70s, when it was Naptown, to become a real destination. And the people are what make it a great place to live, real down-to earth, common-sense folk.

Scott > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:18

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Not sure I want to give that much detail on the internet... The city I live in is only a few hundred people, so to post it on the internet is not necessarily what I want to do for my safety and my families safety. I’ll just say I live in Upstate NY.

Mercedes Streeter > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:21

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#83 - Man Chicago you didn’t do so hot!

gometz > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:26

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SXSW the music festival is essentially a side show to the trade show now.

Grew up in Austin and now enjoy Houston quite a bit. Austin became too... self obsessed.

Svart Smart, traded in his Smart > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:27

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Seattle, yeah! Also: San Jose, really? Silicon Valley housing costs are insane thanks to constrained supply.

Audistein > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/07/2017 at 15:27

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Just make sure your next car has the 360 degree cameras and full parking sensors and you should be fine. Or get a Tesla and you can walk it into the garage from outside the car.

The house I live in used to have very, very spacious 2-car tandem garage but half of it got turned into another bedroom (with an en suite) right before I moved in so now it’s a tight one-car garage. I’m putting in some wine fridges soon which aren’t going to help either. I put my X5 in there when I go on vacation and even though it’s tight I have no problems with it due to the sensors and 360 camera. The ol’ tennis-ball-on-a-string also works for a lot of people but with the cameras I don’t need that.

Luckily my area of the city has street parking; enough for 3 cars just from me including an LWB full-size sedan! I have been eyeing a few homes in lower pac heights/twin peaks/noe valley/Potrero hill that have 2 or even 3 car garages. They’re not even huge homes or anything, some just happen to have the garage space.  (The house I’m in was paid off by my parents a while ago so I could move. Closing costs and realtors in the city are crazy expensive though. It’s a total racket.) It’s either that or buy an investment property in the next year before interest rates get raised more.

You’ll probably have to rent a garage elsewhere to keep multiple cars, if you’re not doing so already.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:28

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We lived in Houston for a few years while was in grad school (Rice). Generally, we liked it. Sure, it was big, had bad traffic (that was 20 years ago), but it also had museums, concerts, restaurants, parks, etc. We lived in the Montrose neighborhood, the “gay” neighborhood that apartment locators warned us about. On the contrary, it was a fabulous, eclectic and welcoming neighborhood. We loved it. And it was very close to Rice and the Med Center, where my wife had her first job after we married. Most big cities have the good and the bad in equal measure.

ttyymmnn > gometz 02/07/2017 at 15:29

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See my reply to Chariot of Love. We lived in Houston for a few years and liked it. We came to Austin for my schooling and stayed.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:31

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I’ll admit I just don’t get the appeal of living in Austin. Every time I go I’m gald to get back home to SA when the trip is over.

gometz > TheHondaBro 02/07/2017 at 15:31

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Austin is liberal in a very certain and strange way. During the 60's and 70's lots of hippies moved into the area because, well frankly it’s a beautiful area. They started a trend that continues, but not really in the same manner. During the 80's and 90's it still was pretty liberal, but in the 2000's it began to shift to the California liberal/libertarian style of thinking.

Combine that with the fact that the city has never come to terms with its racist policies of the past and marginalization of minorities. It’s a group of mostly rich white people who are liberals. I’ve found Houston to be just as liberal, in some ways more so, and much much more diverse. We just have zero hills and it’s fucking humid as satan’s ball sack (Austin is pretty humid too, just not as bad).

ttyymmnn > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 02/07/2017 at 15:32

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Like any place, you take the good with the bad.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:34

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We’ve been to Houston several times. We stayed near the TMC, went to the museums, and drove through those neighborhoods around Rice. I can totally see it.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:34

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Oh yeah. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad it’s near by, because y’all have a lot of cool things we don’t - but I don’t want to be there all the time.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:35

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Insufficient infrastructure.

gometz > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:36

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I could potentially see myself moving back to Austin in the future (my wife is from there as well), but even now when I go back I feel like everyone thinks they’re the coolest kid on the block. It almost feels like it’s not part of the real world because people think of it as a place to escape to.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:38

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Well then they must all be rooting for Trump!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 15:39

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They listed Fort Myers and Lakeland, FL. This ranking is totally bunk.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:40

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Our family has made regular weekend trips to Houston. The museums, NASA, etc make it a great getaway. We have also made recent weekend trips to Dallas and FW. As an airplane guy, Founder’s Plaza is awesome.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/07/2017 at 15:40

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Get something with T tops so you don’t have to open the door.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:41

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The whole damned state, with a couple of notable exceptions, rooted for Trump. I routinely drive between Austin and Abilene. Not too many Hillary signs out that way. It’s pretty country, though.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 02/07/2017 at 15:42

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NYC doesn’t need Governor’s Ball though. SXSW kind of put Austin on the map in alot of ways.

ttyymmnn > gometz 02/07/2017 at 15:43

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For us, it’s just a nice place to live. We’re in the Round Rock school district, and we live in Travis County, though we have an Austin address. My dealings with the TC sheriff have always been positive, and I’m glad I don’t have to deal with APD. The flip side is that so many people ARE moving here. Construction of mega neighborhoods and mega apartment complexes is going like crazy. And the roads and city services simply can’t handle it.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:43

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Yeah, I know what you mean. Dallas is pretty blue these days, but not near as much as Austin. If Trump is serious about infrastructure spending, Texas could really benefit. We’ll see.

ttyymmnn > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 02/07/2017 at 15:44

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We go to SA often for Six Flags, the River Walk, the museums, etc. But last time, it took us 2.5 hours to get to Six Flags. The whole IH-35 corridor is becoming one massive parking lot.

Ash78, voting early and often > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/07/2017 at 15:44

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Former Lakeland resident. Can confirm.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:45

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“We’ll see.” That could well be the rallying cry for the next four years. I’m trying not to be pessimistic, but it’s hard. Unfortunately, if we get anything, it will be more damned toll roads.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 15:49

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I’ve had to stop for gas there many, many times over the years. I still don’t know what’s there other than a few gas stations and miles of flat ranchland.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:49

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I remember there being a toll option to get around Austin when I was driving to to San Antonio, can’t remember the number. Wish I’d taken it when I was in the jam. Should I next time I’m there?

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:50

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Ehh, DC is okay. Great for some, a little overwhelming for others. But the real problem is the cost of living. Money no object, it’s a great place to live. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to live in the city.

ttyymmnn > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 02/07/2017 at 15:54

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It’s a great town to visit, but I wouldn’t dream of trying to live there.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 15:56

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Only four places on that list I would even CONSIDER living and I live in one of them, DC.

Maybe San Jose, Raleigh, and Boston as well, but you can have the rest.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 02/07/2017 at 15:57

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Check Google first. It’s SH-30, and the toll will cost you (I think) $10-15 to take the whole thing from Georgetown to south of Austin. The speed limit is 80-85, though. Just watch out for the feral hogs. There is a sign on I-35 in Round Rock that estimates the time to SA on SH-30 vs. I-35. It is rarely faster on the toll road. They built it too far outside of town. It swings way too far to the east. I rarely drive on it.

Ash78, voting early and often > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/07/2017 at 15:57

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The I-4 stretch really sucks, but the town itself is not that bad (last time I visited was maybe 7-8 years ago; I lived there in the 80s). It’s about as “anti-Florida” as you can get, which IMO is a good thing in many ways. It has hills, gardens, lakes, etc. Plus you’re under an hour to Orlando and Tampa, or 2 hours to the east coast, but without the crowds and costs of those places. If you don’t like the beach, you could definitely do worse. Cool little traditional downtown area that you hardly see anymore.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > Scott 02/07/2017 at 16:00

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So why post about it and make people ask?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:02

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While I don’t live in the city, I live close enough, but #56.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 16:03

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Where Is the Most Diverse City in the U.S.?

Is I think a much better indicator of the state of a city or Metro area.

Ash78, voting early and often > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 02/07/2017 at 16:09

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I generally think that’s true, but there’s a chicken & egg aspect: Larger cities and coastal attract more immigrants (both skilled and unskilled) in part because they are (a) in better proximity to overseas and (b) usually have a support structure of expats already there. An extreme and unusual example would be Somalis living in Minneapolis. To a degree, it’s good, but it can also breed differences and create pockets of isolation where people aren’t actually exchanging ideas and culture, but rather clinging to their own little pockets.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:17

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How Nashville is not in the top 10 is a travesty.

ttyymmnn > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:17

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Another consideration, though, is that even with the tolls and the added time, you have peace of mind. You won’t have to sit still in traffic. And you get to drive fast. And, you get to drive past COTA.

ttyymmnn > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/07/2017 at 16:18

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It’s because their hockey sweaters are ugly.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:19

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Lies. Don’t dare go after my hockey team.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > Ash78, voting early and often 02/07/2017 at 16:20

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it can also breed differences and create pockets of isolation where people aren’t actually exchanging ideas and culture, but rather clinging to their own little pockets.

Only if people don’t bother to engage. Which is the problem. I live in DC and there are very much, “Central American” and “Ethiopian” pockets, among others. But that does not mean that I don’t go them. In fact just the opposite. Different looking women, music, food..I go to these places ON PURPOSE to get a taste of the different cultures.

Textured Soy Protein > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:21

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I can’t imagine what they’re basing these “value” scores on. DC where I grew up is #4 with a 7.4 score for value, and Madison where I live now is #18 with a 7.2 score for value. Yet in Madison you can buy a halfway decent house for $250-300k vs easily paying twice that much for a similar property in DC unless you go to a super far-out suburb. Some of the older/smaller houses in the neighborhood I grew up in a nice DC suburbs are 2000-ish sq ft and in the $650k range, easy. My folks’ place at 3400 sq ft was like $840k on its last tax assessment. Value, huh?

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:27

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Okay, thanks. That’s helpful.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:45

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It has the best little details in the league. The piano in the collar, the guitar pick shoulder logo, the guitar strings in the #... it’s amazing.

ttyymmnn > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/07/2017 at 16:50

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There can be only one.

#OriginalSixFTW

But the keyboard is cool.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 16:55

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#BandwagonFansFTL

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > Audistein 02/07/2017 at 17:04

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The M6GC has that. It still doesn’t work that well. Maybe I’m just paranoid. I am definitely going to be implementing the tennis ball/string strategy.

I rent a space at Keatley Detail on Harrison. Used to be an easy walk, now it’s a drive but I’ll still keep the spot.

I’m actually thinking the i8 won’t fit either. Less footprint than the M6GC, but the doors make it harder to park.

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/07/2017 at 17:04

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This is the best idea.

ttyymmnn > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/07/2017 at 17:07

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Nope. Been a fan all my life. I’m 50—I go back to the Bobby Hull and Phil Esposito days.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:09

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You have to understand why everyone hates the fans though... I mean just look at that.

ttyymmnn > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/07/2017 at 17:11

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I imagine you would have similar attendance figures with any team when they go through a dry spell of wins. Hell, in 2005 they were 14th in the Western Conference. The next year they were 4th.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:13

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In a non-original six market(arena only holds 17k for hockey). Worst years we’re still over 13k and that’s in a brand new markets bad year.

wiffleballtony > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:18

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Phoenix, AZ at #44.

fintail > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:18

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Yay now even more will move to Seattle. Good, great, grand, wonderful.

gometz > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:25

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I know what you mean. My in laws live in an area that was the boonies when they moved there, now there’s a shopping center opening across the highway and a whole lot of traffic going out to Dripping Springs.

ttyymmnn > wiffleballtony 02/07/2017 at 17:32

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My mom used to live in Phoenix and then Green Valley. My biggest question about Phoenix is how it came about that, back when people were headed west, somebody said, “Hey! Let’s live here !”

B_dol > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/07/2017 at 17:35

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Replacing the M6GC is a hard feat for what it truly is - but as for small ( read, tiny ) SF garages that is a tough proposition.

Any interest in the Alfa Romeo Giulia Q ? Looks awesome and sounds great. As for sheer width savings - Merc C63 AMG Wagon? A bit more svelte

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/07/2017 at 17:39

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Pretending to be Magnum never gets old.

wiffleballtony > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:50

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You could say the same thing about most of the northern midwest. Pretty sure it was a combination of copper mining and mormon settling though.

ttyymmnn > wiffleballtony 02/07/2017 at 17:53

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And water.

B_dol > Textured Soy Protein 02/07/2017 at 17:55

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Median home price and commute time are two big things for me after you factor in job market, decent schools, good culture/food and outdoor scene.

The first four listed there absolutely suck for work/life balance and home prices hah.

wiffleballtony > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 17:55

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True, the salt river came through before it got dammed up.

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > B_dol 02/07/2017 at 19:05

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I think the short list right now is the following:

1. Alfa Giulia Q. But it doesn’t have any parking sensors according to the FCA configurator. Concerning.

2. C63s Sedan. Skinnier than the coupe.

3. E63 Wagon. Skinnier than the M6. Long. Not as skinny as 1 or 2.

4. GLA45. I don’t love this option, but it’s a better city car than anything I currently own. And I do live in the city. Buzzy on the highway.

B_dol > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/07/2017 at 19:43

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I support option 1 and 3 for their character, which is really what needs to be replaced most. The GLA45, bleh. I would rather have a fully loaded Mini Cooper S (JCW even) as city car.

The Compromiser > ttyymmnn 02/07/2017 at 20:07

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I was betting on Canada being number 1 this year. ..

QCGoose > Jcarr 02/07/2017 at 22:49

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I take it you have ties to Iowa? Lifelong Davenport resident here (for those wondering, about 2 1/2 east of Des Moines, right on the IA/IL border).